Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/06/2001 01:35 PM House TRA

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HB  55-OIL DISCH PREVENTION: NONTANK VESSELS/RR                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOHRING  announced  that   the  committee  would  continue                                                               
discussion of HOUSE BILL NO.  55, "An Act regarding oil discharge                                                               
prevention and  cleanup involving self-propelled  nontank vessels                                                               
exceeding  400 gross  registered tonnage  and railroad  tank cars                                                               
and related  facilities and operations and  requiring preparation                                                               
and implementation  of oil discharge contingency  plans for those                                                               
nontank vessels  and railroad tank cars;  amending the definition                                                               
of  'response  action' that  relates  to  releases or  threatened                                                               
releases of oil  and thereby amending the  duties and liabilities                                                               
of   response   action    contractors;   authorizing   compliance                                                               
verification  for  nontank vessels  and  for  trains and  related                                                               
facilities and operations; and providing for an effective date."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING recalled that at  the end of the previous committee                                                               
meeting, there  had been  concern that enactment  of HB  55 might                                                               
draw down the Spill Response  Fund and divert funds from existing                                                               
programs [including those] associated with tank replacement.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0154                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LARRY  DIETRICK,  Director,  Division  of  Spill  Prevention  and                                                               
Response,  Department of  Environmental Conservation  (DEC), came                                                               
forward.   He  provided a  brief overview  of the  Spill Response                                                               
Fund,  established by  the legislature  in 1986.   A  significant                                                               
amendment  was made  in 1990,  following the  [Exxon Valdez  oil]                                                               
spill, when  the legislature imposed a  nickel-a-barrel surcharge                                                               
[on all crude oil produced in  Alaska].  In 1994, the legislature                                                               
split the  nickel into a two-cent  and a three-cent account.   He                                                               
referred to a graph of the two resulting funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK referred the left side of the graph, where the two-                                                                
cent account  was depicted.   Revenue in that account  is subject                                                               
to  appropriation by  the  legislature into  what  is called  the                                                               
Response  Account.   That account  is intended  [to deal  with] a                                                               
large,  catastrophic  oil  spill.   The  account  is  allowed  to                                                               
accumulate up to a balance of  $50 million.  When that amount has                                                               
been  reached, the  tax  shuts  off.   The  $50 million  Response                                                               
Account has  been full since  shortly after the nickel  was split                                                               
in 1994,  and the tax  has been shut off  since that time.   When                                                               
the  balance   is  drawn   down  below   $50  million,   the  tax                                                               
automatically turns back  on, as determined on  a quarterly basis                                                               
by the  Department of Revenue.   Use of this account  is reserved                                                               
for imminent  and substantial events.   The account is  used very                                                               
conservatively  and  very seldom.    There  are controls  in  the                                                               
statutes  that govern  access to  the account;  for example,  any                                                               
time the DEC  taps the account, that agency must  advise both the                                                               
legislature  and  the governor's  office  in  writing within  120                                                               
hours of how much is being withdrawn and for what purpose.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DIETRICK then  called attention  to  the right  side of  the                                                               
graph, where the  three-cent surcharge was depicted.   The three-                                                               
cent surcharge  goes into  the account that  one hears  about the                                                               
most, the  Prevention Account.   That account  is intended  to be                                                               
used for  activities listed  in a  box lower on  the page.   This                                                               
Prevention Account  is used for  the state's  preparedness costs,                                                               
including  contingency plan  reviews,  response preparedness  and                                                               
training,  restoration activities,  the  storage tank  assistance                                                               
fund, matching federal funds, and a  host of other things.  These                                                               
are listed in  the statute as the allowed uses  of the Prevention                                                               
Account,  and it  is the  account  that is  tapped for  operating                                                               
budget requirements or capital improvement budget requirements.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0517                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON sought  clarification about  the automatic                                                               
shut-off  of the  two-cent surcharge  when  the Response  Account                                                               
reaches $50  million, and the  resumption of that  surcharge when                                                               
the balance falls below the cap.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0538                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK explained that the  money in the $50 million account                                                               
is pooled  with other money and  invested to earn a  certain rate                                                               
of return.  There is an  investment policy that seeks to generate                                                               
a rate of  return that is sustainable and yet  conservative.  Mr.                                                               
Dietrick  said  there  recently  had  been  meetings  to  discuss                                                               
whether  it   would  be  possible   to  invest  the   money  more                                                               
aggressively  without risking  it.   That  did not  appear to  be                                                               
possible  because the  principal may  be needed  on an  emergency                                                               
basis.  The investment account  is generating an average of about                                                               
5  percent  through  conservative,  government-type  instruments.                                                               
The interest  is appropriated into  the Prevention Account  on an                                                               
annual basis.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOHRING called  attention  to a  projection  sheet in  the                                                               
packet.   He  asked  Mr. Dietrick  to  go over  it  and give  the                                                               
committee an  idea of what  the Spill  Response Fund is  going to                                                               
look like in future years.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK noted  that the sheet, prepared by   the Legislative                                                               
Finance Division, shows  fiscal years 2002, 2003, and  2004.  The                                                               
left column  shows the  balance in the  two-cent, or  $50 million                                                               
account,  with a  balance of  $51,276.500  projected through  the                                                               
three  years.   Unless the  state needs  to use  it, that  amount                                                               
should "continue  to be parked  there and generate  interest," he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK explained that the  next column shows the Prevention                                                               
Account, broken  down into the Prevention  Mitigation Account and                                                               
the Prevention Surcharge Account.   He referred back to the graph                                                               
as  he explained  that the  Surcharge Account  is the  account in                                                               
which  the  3-cent   surcharge  is  deposited  and   held.    The                                                               
Prevention  Mitigation Account  is a  separate account  where all                                                               
penalties, cost  recovery, program  receipts, federal  funds, and                                                               
other revenues  are kept.   The projections show the  amount that                                                               
will  be generated  by  each  of these  accounts,  which are  the                                                               
sources   of  appropriations   into  the   Prevention  Mitigation                                                               
Account.   The  $5,379,000 [income]  shown in  that account  is a                                                               
three-year average for  the fiscal years 1998, 1999,  2000 -- the                                                               
average of the  amount of money that has  been cost-recovered and                                                               
brought back  into the Prevention  Mitigation Account.   The same                                                               
number has  been used  to project that  revenue stream  in future                                                               
years.  The number on the  right side, the Surcharge Account, the                                                               
$9,300,000 number, is the actual  amount that is generated by the                                                               
three-cent surcharge on  the production of crude oil.   For 2003,                                                               
that number jumps up to $9,800,000 and in 2004, to $9,900,000.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK  explained that those  projections are based  on the                                                               
revenue forecasts  that the  committee had  at the  last meeting:                                                               
Department of Revenue  figures that project what  the actual flow                                                               
will be  for those years.   Adding  those two together,  and then                                                               
adding  in  a  carry-forward  from the  prior  year,  yields  the                                                               
estimated balance of  $27,726,000 for the beginning of  2002.  He                                                               
explained briefly how  the balance is calculated:   "You take the                                                               
balance in the checkbook (of  the Prevention Account) on June 30,                                                               
the end  of the fiscal  year.  Add  to it the  projected revenues                                                               
for the next  fiscal year, and then deduct from  it the projected                                                               
expenditures.   That's all  this sheet  is doing."  The resulting                                                               
balance is $4,744,000 on June 30, 2002.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0907                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked where  Mr. Dietrick was  getting the                                                               
$27 million figure, which she did not see on the handouts.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK  asked if the  fiscal year  2002 sheets were  in the                                                               
committee packets,  and committee staff  said they were  not; the                                                               
information had not been provided.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DIETRICK  then  answered Representative  Wilson's  question,                                                               
saying  the  carry-forward balance  from  the  prior fiscal  year                                                               
[which  the  Legislative  Finance   Division  had  calculated  on                                                               
another sheet] was $27 million.   That figure was brought forward                                                               
onto this sheet.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  asked,  "So   this  number  here  is  the                                                               
beginning balance from  fiscal year 2002, and that  should be $27                                                               
[million]...?"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK said  that was correct.  He remarked,  "This is good                                                               
because what we are engaged  in here is long-term fiscal planning                                                               
for the response fund."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0977                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK  continued that the  fiscal note reflects  the "out"                                                               
years and the  impact the $141,000 [cost of HB  55], will have on                                                               
the  fund's balance.  The percentage  of  the [entire]  Surcharge                                                               
Account  is relatively  low,  and, therefore,  DEC  thinks it  is                                                               
sustainable over time.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1003                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOHRING  told Mr.  Dietrick,  "You're  throwing a  lot  of                                                               
numbers  around here  and I  appreciate  that," but  asked if  it                                                               
could  be  put  more  simply for  his  benefit,  perhaps  roughly                                                               
"guestimating" from  a percentage perspective what  the impact of                                                               
the fiscal note on that fund would be.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK  said using the  $141,000 and comparing  that amount                                                               
with the  revenue stream from  the Surcharge Account,  the impact                                                               
would be somewhere between 1 percent  and 2 percent.  If one adds                                                               
in  the Mitigation  Account and  the other  interest streams,  it                                                               
would be reduced even further.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING observed, "Nevertheless, it  is a pretty good chunk                                                               
of money  .... We're  talking as  much as a  third [of  a million                                                               
dollars]  at  its   highest  point  in  the   evolution  of  this                                                               
legislation [HB  55]."  He said  he was not recommending  that HB
55 be  changed before sending  it out  of committee, but  that he                                                               
would suggest to the full  Finance Committee a reduction in DEC's                                                               
overall budget  to accommodate the additional  monies being spent                                                               
for  HB  55.   He  said  he  would  draft a  recommendation  from                                                               
himself, would  show it the  members of the  House Transportation                                                               
Standing  Committee,  and  that  anyone who  concurred  would  be                                                               
welcome to sign on.  He thinks  it would be prudent to maintain a                                                               
no-increased-budget  philosophy with  any  new  legislation.   He                                                               
said, "Having had  the DEC budget in the past,  I feel that there                                                               
are some areas in DEC that  we can reduce to offset the increased                                                               
expenditure of  this legislation [HB  55], so  I am going  to ...                                                               
make that recommendation" to the Finance Committee to consider.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1123                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH said he wanted  to make sure Chair Kohring                                                               
emphasized that the  recommendation was his own, not  that of the                                                               
House Transportation  Standing Committee.  Representative Kookesh                                                               
did not agree with it.  He said:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I think  DEC has  suffered enormously  at the  hands of                                                                    
     the legislature, and  there's a lot of  areas in Alaska                                                                    
     now that DEC can't even  address because of the lack of                                                                    
     funds.     I  appreciate   your  consideration   and  I                                                                    
     appreciate seeing it  [Chair Kohring's recommendation],                                                                    
     but  I'm not  supportive  of  it.   I  think that  this                                                                    
     legislation  [HB  55] is  exactly  what  that fund  was                                                                    
     intended to  address .... One  percent is a  very small                                                                    
     amount of impact  on that fund, and I  think that we're                                                                    
     doing the right thing and we ought to go forward.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING promised to make  it very clear that the memorandum                                                               
was just from  himself (and any other members who  wished to sign                                                               
the memo), and not from the [Transportation] committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1172                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI referred  to the  list of  activities that                                                               
are funded by the three-cent  surcharge, including cost recovery,                                                               
state   and  regional   master  plans,   response,  and   others.                                                               
Regarding the impact of the $141,000  [cost of HB 55], out of all                                                               
the things  that are listed,  which did Mr. Dietrick  think would                                                               
be "the most likely hit?"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DIETRICK recalled  that the  legislature two  years ago  had                                                               
passed  SB   128,  which   dramatically  changed   the  financial                                                               
assistance  program for  the  underground  storage tank  program,                                                               
putting caps  on the  amount of  grants and  loans that  would be                                                               
made available  by the  state. He said  DOT&PF has  now completed                                                               
the upgrade  and closure portion  of that  -- a ten-year  item to                                                               
get  the leaky  underground storage  tanks pulled  out --  so the                                                               
upgrade  and  closure  work is  essentially  completed,  and  the                                                               
cleanups remain  to be done.   He anticipated that the  amount of                                                               
work is going  to be reduced because the program  has been scaled                                                               
back by the legislature.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DIETRICK also  noted that  the  state has  been paying  $1.6                                                               
million a year  out of the Response Fund to  the aboveground fuel                                                               
storage tank  problem in  rural Alaska.   When the  problem first                                                               
occurred   and  threatened   to   stop   fuel  deliveries,   this                                                               
expenditure  was  [intended  as]  seed money  to  get  the  rural                                                               
aboveground  fuel storage  tank  program fixed.    Now, the  TAPL                                                               
[Trans-Alaska Pipeline  Liability] Fund is injecting  $20 million                                                               
a  year  into  that  program,  so  that  is  another  area  where                                                               
potentially  the Response  Fund  expenditure  could be  throttled                                                               
back.   Still another one is  the Response Fund used  for cleanup                                                               
of contamination and leaky tanks  at state-owned facilities, "and                                                               
we like  to think  we're making  progress on  that and  we'll get                                                               
over that hump and  we'll not have to spend so  much money in the                                                               
future on that. So  those are some of the areas  where as part of                                                               
long-term fiscal  planning, there could be  some potential shifts                                                               
or changes," Mr. Dietrick said.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI  asked if  the TAPL  fund Mr.  Dietrick had                                                               
motioned is the Trans-Alaska Pipeline Fund.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1331                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DIETRICK  confirmed that the Trans-Alaska  Pipeline Liability                                                               
Fund is the one known as the  TAPL Fund.  That fund was basically                                                               
done away with  when the Oil Pollution Act of  1990 was passed at                                                               
the  federal level.    At  the time,  there  was  a $500  million                                                               
liability fund for  Prince William Sound, and they  did away with                                                               
that account; the money went  into a new billion-dollar oil spill                                                               
liability trust  fund at the  federal level.   Some of  the money                                                               
that had been in the  Prince William Sound account was originally                                                               
the state's,  and last year, it  finally came back to  the state,                                                               
$20 million  of it through the  Denali Commission to be  used for                                                               
bulk fuel upgrades and $18  million through the Alaska Industrial                                                               
Development  Authority to  be used  for remediation  at the  same                                                               
facilities.   So those are  two significant new  revenues streams                                                               
to work on that problem, he concluded.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING noted that there  is an additional fiscal note from                                                               
the DOT&PF,  reflecting the cost  of compliance [with HB  55] for                                                               
the vessels in the state's Marine Highway System.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1421                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE  CAPACCI,  Captain  and General  Manager,  Marine  Highway                                                               
System,  Department  of   Transportation  and  Public  Facilities                                                               
(DOT&PF),  came forward  to testify.   He  explained that  DOT&PF                                                               
already has a response system,  an incident command system, and a                                                               
statement  of financial  responsibility.  What would  have to  be                                                               
needed  additionally under  HB 55  would be  contracting to  have                                                               
spill  equipment available  for  use by  all  the state  ferries.                                                               
They would  make use of  the cooperative equipment that  would be                                                               
stationed throughout  coastal Alaska  where the  ferries operate.                                                               
The fiscal  note is  based on  what it would  cost if  the Marine                                                               
Highway  System were  to sign  up at  the present  time.   In the                                                               
future,  when  there are  expected  to  be  more members  in  the                                                               
cooperative, the cost  to DOT&PF would be less, so  the amount in                                                               
the fiscal note is the maximum.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1511                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI asked if the  contractual expenses would be                                                               
for training.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CAPACCI  explained that the $29,000  indicates first-year                                                               
costs for complying  with HB 55.  The money  is not for training,                                                               
but  primarily  for  contracting   to  have  oil  spill  response                                                               
equipment available  on standby  for the Marine  Highway System's                                                               
use.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI  asked what  the  annual  cost of  $23,500                                                               
would be used for.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CAPACCI  said the  higher cost  in the  first year  is to                                                               
accommodate the  initial, one-time membership or  initiation fees                                                               
to  join the  cooperative.   The  annual fees  are  lower in  the                                                               
ensuing years.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1609                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if  the people providing  the spill-                                                               
response equipment  also contract  with vessels other  than those                                                               
in the Marine Highway System.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CAPACCI  said that  is right, and  again stated  that the                                                               
cost  estimates are  based  on the  current  prices the  response                                                               
agencies charge to  have that equipment available.   If there are                                                               
more [members], as  is expected, there will be more  [of them] to                                                               
share  those costs,  and so  the actual  cost is  expected to  be                                                               
lower than is indicated in the fiscal  note.  But there is no way                                                               
to predict that rate right now.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1654                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOHRING  said he  was  satisfied  with the  answers,  even                                                               
though he  did not necessarily  agree with  them.  He  noted that                                                               
the committee had  identified three primary issues  on which they                                                               
sought information.   Those issues  were regulations,  dealt with                                                               
through Representative Ogan's amendment  [adopted at the previous                                                               
meeting];  the  personnel increase  issue,  which  he thinks  was                                                               
addressed  satisfactorily;  and  the   spill  response  fund  and                                                               
additional fiscal note. He asked the will of the committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH  moved to report  HB 55 as amended  out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1724                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOHRING noted  that he has continuing  concerns although he                                                               
does not  want to be an  obstructionist.  He would  prefer a more                                                               
simplistic approach.   However, he  noted, his concerns  had been                                                               
addressed, and the  industry seems to be in favor  [of HB 55], as                                                               
are many members  of the legislature.  There  being no objection,                                                               
CSHB 55(TRA) was passed out  of the House Transportation Standing                                                               
Committee by unanimous consent.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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